Official word on Rick.
Fri Jul 14 2000

This diary is maintained, as you can see, by the administrators of DearDiary.net. This entry will outline what we consider to be Freedom Of Speech and what we consider to be unacceptable, even under the concept of Freedom Of Speech.

There are a number of things to remember here though. The First Amendment applies to Government interference or restrictions on speech. This site is privately owned and funded and no-one is suggesting that you are forced to air your opinion only here. Its highly possible that there are much more appropriate places for you to air your opinion if they fall outside what we consider to be acceptable use of the system.

Also, this system is International, therefore you can not apply only American laws and constitution. Admittedly at time of writing the majority of our users are indeed American (around 65%) so it seems logical to bias the system towards the American audience. But that doesn't mean it will be always be that way, nor does it mean that it follows only American principles. The juggling act of trying to keep everyone happy, particularly when they are from different cultures is difficult.

The people that run this site at present are English. One no longer lives in England but resides somewhere in Europe. Thus our bias is likely, subconsciously even, to be towards the English idea of what is right and acceptable. These two biases often don't agree.

Thats where common sense and decency kick in. And the feedback we've had from most American's is that actually this IS consistant with the true nature of the First Amendment. So where does this leave what can and can't be discussed here at DearDiary?

Well, firstly, its taken on a case by case basis. We (as administrators) don't have time to read all the diaries on the system and we don't really care to. Some of them just do nothing for us personally and so we don't go there unless we're notified of something out of line. This is exactly the situation with Ricks diary. We find it does nothing for us, but provided it follows the standards of common sense and decency then we are happy to provide a home for it.

But, to get a general feel for how we run the system, one should certainly refer to the Acceptable Use Policy. To that we will add a little bit here, though this entry is for guidance only.

At DearDiary we try to maintain a policy of non-interference. We don't want to tell you what you can and can't write about because that doesn't do much for diarists creativity if they have to constantly wonder what is acceptable. And its not a line we can draw in the sand and say there, thats the line, don't go over it. So there needs to be the common sense. Common sense says that you can write what you like in your diary and if no-one objects then its fine. In general, if you avoid personal insults, or personal 'flamebait' there's not likely to be a problem. To that end, it would seem that people can happily write about their beliefs, ideas, religions and anything else they like, provided that it does not get personally vindictive.

But even then, anything may offend someone and we may receive objections to an entry that has been written. So what happens then? Is the entry just blanket removed just because someone objects? No. Common sense has to apply again, and therefore a process of negotiation between the diarist concerned and the reader who has issues with the diary must begin. We as the administrators of the system are the adjudicators, or jury. We will attempt to come up with a solution that is acceptable to both parties, through process of negotiation. This is what happened with the James Obelisk case (who continues to be very reasonable and understanding about everything!)

Sometimes that is not possible, and in which case we will make a decision based on what we consider to be in the best interests of the DearDiary community, or based on international law as we understand it. We're not lawyers, but again, common sense should prevail.

This is evidenced by the way in which we attempted to deal with Rick's entry. We entered into discussion with Rick about his entry, and attempted to make clear the reasons we had issues with the words he had chosen to use to describe people. The kind of vindictive words chosen to describe the people can only lead to further vindictive words elsewhere and suddenly half the site becomes embroiled in a slanging match or riot and the people to get hurt are the innocent bystanders who want to read things with substance, or at least about real life, not about silly arguments between diarists.

So, given that we attempted to open negotiations (we wanted to remove the entire entry since the AUP also states you must not use diary names or other authors without their express written consent - something Rick is only too aware of having been involved in an incident a few weeks earlier) but were met with blanket refusal to co-operate at any level and a complete refusal to understand that the site is owned and run by individuals, not a faceless corporation to the point that we were dealt with in contempt. Soon it became clear that there was unlikely to be a middle ground to be found, so we removed the diary from the front page. Negotiations are still continuing, but as yet no progress has been made. To that end, a total refusal to offer any kind of goodwill gesture or any level of co-operation at all, will result in the removal of Ricks access from the site. He has been notified of this situation and we await his response.

It may sound harsh. It is harsh, but if people can't negotiate with us in a sensible way (we're not inflexible, we want a peaceful resolution acceptable to all) on something like this then where does it end? Like usenet where 80% of the content is useless because its just people flaming each other. DearDiary isnt about that and we won't allow it to become that.

Please feel free to post your comments to this, but when doing so, try to avoid pointless personal insults. Stay clear and focussed and make your point well. We may just listen if its made well. If its 'youre just losers' or some other pointless remark it will be deleted. Thats our privilege as diary writers :)

7 Comments
  • From:
    Possible Former DearDiary User (Legacy)
    On:
    Fri Jul 14 2000
    Rick, dont give in. They made this site as a place for people to speak your opinions and that is what you (he) did. If they are now going to pick and choose what is acceptable and what isn't then I maybe none of us sould be on this site. You either allow us to write everything, or you allow all of us to write nothing.

  • From:
    Realist (Legacy)
    On:
    Fri Jul 14 2000
    Come on there is a difference between say, my diary, which averages 30-35 hits a day and Rick's Diary, which was getting thousand(s) of hits a day.

    The difference is similar to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. In the same way that "fire" is unprotected speech because it is irresponsible, that entry of Rick was irresponsible because it threatened to turn this entire site into one huge fucking flamefest and that it indefensible.

    Lest you say "all Rick does is write his thoughts" -- well -- actually all Rick does is whore for hits.

    This isn't a Free Speech issue at all. Naturally anyone who doesn't appreciate DearDiary hospitality is welcome to find another forum to express their feelings.

  • From:
    Indie (Legacy)
    On:
    Fri Jul 14 2000
    You're all losers.... you suck..."

    Ha ha! Seriously though, I agree completely with this. It's your damn site - what you say goes hunny.

    Kisses,

    D

  • From:
    Willowwisper (Legacy)
    On:
    Fri Jul 14 2000
    Dear WebMasters

    i have used your site and enjoyed it very much. your efforts to provide free and easy web diary format is very much appreciated here.

    after thinking about Rick, recieving emails from members of his family in Los Vegas, and examining my own behavior about the issue, i can honestly state that his diary is a non issue with me.

    it is unfortunate that your time has been used toward this foolishness, and that others were hurt or angered by this. but we now all must get on with life.

    i am trying to say i hope we can all move on, put this behind us, forget it...learn to love one another and overlook each others weaknesses, and if we can't overlook our faults, then avoid the source of anger.

    i had a person in my life that caused me great pain emotionally...so after years of trying to "deal with it" i finally accepted the fact that the best thing was to not have that person in my life at all. without the source of anger...i learned to have peace.

    i wanted this comment to be an open statement because i think it must be some kind of 'closure' for myself on this ... not only do we need to forget...we need to forgive.

    examine your inner soul, the little voice down deep ...down in the dark (shameless plug, lol) and seriously ask yourself, 'in the grand scheme of things....what difference does it make?'

    a year from now...a month from now...will i think about this? not hardley. so i turn the other cheek, march on.

    the only issue i can see is that you, as WebMasters, must set a standard that You are comfortable with...it is your decision and your headache, your time. and that is unfortunate, that your time be used in this manner.

    for that, my sincere apologies.

    Respectfully,
    willow

  • From:
    Trinity (Legacy)
    On:
    Fri Jul 14 2000
    I totally agree with what you're saying Steve - this is your (and Matts) site and as such have control over what you put in - you spend a lot of time slaving over code to make it better and better, and people should appreciate that this is not your job but a hobby.

    As to all this freedom of speech stuff, surely anyone who doesn't agree with what you are saying/doing can go elsewhere rather than get all arsey over it. I hope this all passes over soon and you can enjoy your time in Denmark :)

    Jo

  • From:
    Crystal (Legacy)
    On:
    Sat Jul 15 2000
    Personally I have to say grow up.Not to you Dear Diary people but to those who are causing all these problems. The point of this diary is for all of us to be able to vent what we can't to people in person and to share our thoughts and emotions. So why are we leaving comment that are negative.Why not comment on our creativity or about our life in a positive way.Maybe I am just babbling. I don't know.I guess I just don't see the reason for all this nonsense.
    I read alot of diaries and I applaud those who are creative and those who just need to vent.

    To each its own.

  • From:
    Gryphonclaw (Legacy)
    On:
    Sat Jul 22 2000
    I have to say thank you to you dear diary creators. also to tell you this is YOUR site, and basically what you say goes. Yes i do believe people should be able to say what they want in thier own diaries, but truely this place is not just MY diary, its space that has been loaned to me by you (the creators) and since this is ultimatly YOUR space what you say goes....i do believe that we have alot more freedom here then in most other places i have seen, and again thank you for all the time and effort you have put into giving me a place to vent.
    goddess bless
    Gryphon