NEW Add Reader Comment
Sun Apr 29 2001

The much-asked-for new Add Reader Comment facility is now online.

Due to the continued abuse of many of the diarists on here that are constantly plagued by people posting abusive comments to diary we have brought on board the first of a few changes to begin to curb this disturbing trend.

Stage 1 is now online.
Anyone leaving a reader comment must now have a valid Atomic account. You don't need to have a diary and the account is completely free. If you don't have an account yet then simply click on Create in the top right hand corner and make yourself one.

DO NOT USE THE LOGIN BUTTON unless you want to make a diary.

Setting up an account involves the following simple procedure:
You click on Create.
You fill in the form with your desired username and email address information.
The system will email you a random password.

That's it. That's all that's involved.

Does this stop the anonymity of comments? To some extent yes it does because your username will always appear on comments now - if we are asked to we could allow you to hide the username, drop us a note if this is a desired feature.
Your email address however is completely optional. It will show the public email address you have configured (remember, Atomic accounts have TWO email addresses - one is private and only for use within the system itself, this address should be the best one to get to you. The other address is the one that will be given out when you request your email be added to the comment and can be anything you like).
Since the username is that of your own, it is also now impossible to pretend that you are somebody else, <sigh> just what kind of mental age do some of you have anyway?

What's coming next?
Stage 2 will allow diarists to prevent a user from ever commenting on his/her diary again. Stage 2 will begin work asap and shouldn't take long.

Even with this upgrade there is still scope for abuse, such is the nature of the Internet sadly. However, the amount of effort required to do this will now be significantly more - anyone who wishes to write abusive comments will need to obtain a new email address for each time they get banned.

I'm certain that we'll receive comments (or probably emails now actually hehe) telling us that this is a silly thing to do. Diarists can just disable comments after all. Why can't they just ignore the ones that they don't like and delete them?

Why do they have to read them in the first place, is my response. If I know that you have nothing to say to me then I will ignore you but on the Internet you can keep sending things to me, you can keep adding comments and you can be a pest. This is our way of preventing such behaviour.

Reader Comments are probably the most popular feature on the site, it allows diarists and readers to communicate and for 99% of the time it is extremely positive. If someone has something negative to say they will either just leave the diary in disgust, or they will write something that is an informed 'this is my opinion'. Flame Wars and Brawls seem to then ensue when the diarist attempts to justify their thoughts/beliefs because the reader won't just let it be. We are all entitled to make our own choices and decisions - you are entitled to say you disagree but leave it at that, you aren't going to 'convert' everyone to your way of thinking because frankly, you could be just as wrong as the people you are flaming.

We haven't remove the original 'Add Reader Comment' script and one option we have is to allow diarists to choose which mechanism they would like to use. What do people feel about that? Are there diarists who very much dislike the new system and would prefer to stick to the old one for their own diary, knowing they are quite happily handling any flamers?

I say again as much as I have said before, we are always open for discussion, if you have a comment to make please make it - they are all taken seriously and in to consideration. We'd like to find some kind of common ground and balance between everyones needs.

I look forward to both positive and negative feedback - just make it constructive please!! :)

Matt.

43 Comments
  • From:
    Viivi (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Wow!!!! Well done Matt!! :-) I like this one :-)
  • From:
    DeLancie (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    OK, I add my comment here. I dont give a flying one whether people whine about

    Diarists can just disable comments after all. Why cant they just ignore the ones that they dont like and delete them?


    in particular, for this reason.
    The previous system enabled people to be abusive, petty, ignorant and childish and have NO accountability. Now, the new system allows exactly the same thing, BUT, like in real life if you want to do this, you will be accountable. People will know who you are.

    This is not a problem if you truly believe in what you are saying because you have nothing to hide. You believe in your words, you know they are true. So being accountable will not be an issue.

    But, to those who merely wanted to make someone feel bad and have no recourse, goodbye. You are gone. You are history. You could not do it in public and you may no longer do it here. Which, incidentally is also considered public.

    Matt the new system rocks!
  • From:
    NeutronIC (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    i can't believe it! "hello"
  • From:
    Starcrossed (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I'm glad you done this myself. I'm a pioneer, I commented in Softheart's diary and may have been one of the first to use it. WhooHooo, LOL. Seriously, I love you all for doing this AND for giving us DD. I know a person can turn the comments off, but I don't WANT to have to turn my off because someone is sending me rude ones. Thank you all, thank you!
  • From:
    NeutronIC (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    One more time
    "this time"
    with feeling, don't go wrong.
    oh yeah.
    blahblah.
    I should quit waffling.
  • From:
    DaffyDuck (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I know you guys worked hard on this so thank you.
  • From:
    Softheart (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    THANK YOU. It's too bad it has come to this but this is too great a community to allow it to become a forum for "mean" people to abuse the quite often very sensitive people here. Free speach is great, but we need to be accountable and responsible for what we say.
  • From:
    Franny (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Hi DD guys!,
    You guys are the best! Good going!
    ;-)
  • From:
    Damselita (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Just checking to see if I can get this to work on ya'lls diary. :)
  • From:
    Di2long2 (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I thank the creators of this site for their wonderful service.

    I can appreciate the motives behind this action. However, it has been my personal experience that those who would post negative or combative things will not be back to respond to any reply, or to reassert their position. A lot like flashers, they run through for attention's sake and then vanish.

    I can also see, though, that I have been very fortunate and have not been involved in a lot of this drama and intrigue. This said, you are applauded for taking steps to end these cruel games.

    Sincerely,
    Di2long2
  • From:
    Marcelle1 (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I don't feel that this is really a good idea, censoring diaries. After all, the Internet is a free forum of ideas. & everyday we are faced with situations, words, beliefs or otherwise things we would avoid. If we are not given the opportunity to speak our minds, even if it is in flame form, it's censorship. Every DD account is given the opportunity to edit thier comments. If they're too lazy to do so, or they think that it's your job, they need to get a clue. Everybody lets out steam occasionally and not letting them is going to hurt somebody in the long run.
  • From:
    Celandra (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    To be perfectly honest, I'm very surprised that you did this. Pleasantly surprised, but I hope everyone realizes how much work you must have gone through to do this. Not everyone does, I'm sure. Being in the 'junior' stages of learning development, I can only imagine. You guys are awesome!
  • From:
    Marcelle1 (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    To continue my thought, diaries once were private matters of the heart, books written in on special occasions and now, we turn to the Internet to record our deepest thoughts. The Internet, where everyone from villagers to government officials can come and read the diaries.

    I think it would be good to remind everyone that by sharing their intimate details with every Bob, Dick, Sally and Joe online, it's really expected that some body is going to violently disagree with them and words may hurt.
  • From:
    Dolphin2001 (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Thanks a lot for this feature!!!!!!
  • From:
    ReallyRick (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    <FONT FACE="CENTURY GOTHIC"><B>No complaints from me.
  • From:
    CounterParts (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I think it is a wonderful idea!!! Y'all work so hard on Dear Diary and I am so impressed and proud. This place is a life saver ... Thank you for all the hard work you have put into this and thank you for keeping us safe.

    Blessed Be,
    Angel
    ^i^
  • From:
    Franny (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    hi guys,
    just a thought re: marcelle's comments, free speech is wonderful, unfortunately, people are also free to be mean. yes this is a public forum, but you wouldn't send your dog out into the woods without a preventative for fleas and ticks, why should i put my words out there to be attacked by anonymous? attackers that have no intention of engaging in civil debate. if mr/ms. anon feels so strongly why not put a name and contact down? i am not lazy, but i shouldn't be manipulated into going private or disabling my comment buttons over people whose only intentions are to hurt. i say this moreso for all of the kids here that need support and encouragement.
    you have something to say? put your name down and be counted!
  • From:
    Marcelle1 (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I'm just saying that everybody has the right to say what they want, whether or not it's constructive. Without the fear of being removed from the system for something somebody misinterpreted as a flame. I don't remember who said it, but anyway I live by this statement, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."
  • From:
    Jamisinc (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Thanks guys. This is a wonderful change.
    Jami
  • From:
    DeLancie (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Marcelle,
    You are completely at liberty to disagree with anyone and everyone who has a diary on the site. However, regardless of where your free speech ideas come from, you are NOT at liberty to hurl abuse at them, make them feel small, inadequate or downright miserable just because you disagree.

    The point we are trying to make is that yes, healthy discussion and disagreement is perfectly reasonable, and expected. But putting someone elses name out instead of your own when leaving a comment, is not. Freedom of speech or not.

    Feel free to fight to the death, there is no battle here as there is no infringement of freedom of speech over which to fight.

    You won't be removed from the system for disagreeing with someone, provided you do it civilly and like a decent, adult human being. And please remember, this system is here for diarists, not commenters anyway!
  • From:
    DavidA (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    testing.....one two three.....

    Hey, this works great! Thanks gentlemen!
  • From:
    Franny (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    GOOD ONE!! Matt! sorry Steve, i needed a good belly chuckle...studying for finals is killing me!
    :-)
  • From:
    Funnydreamer (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Just want to add my approval on a new feature.

    I think this is great idea and hopefully people would not be harrassed anymore.

    Thank you for a hard work.
    FD
  • From:
    Lilith (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Good work.

    BUT

    I consider that picture of Steve as visually abusive.

    ~=)
  • From:
    Calgar (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Hey, you guys still rock... but I would like to switch back to the old reader comment system for my own diary. I am all in favor of a choice. It's just like OpenDiary.com's "allow signed/unsigned" comments. I have too many friends who read my diary without Atomic Systems accounts (and DON'T WANT THEM), and I cannot afford to give up reader comments. Thanks.

    -Matt
  • From:
    Flumpy willis (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    testing the old system still works.
  • From:
    Siberius Snape (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I'll get harry
    If it's the last thing I do.
    I'll get him.

    Uh, hang on, identity crisis there.

    Matt.

  • From:
    Albus Dumbledore (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    He's a bright young lad, you know, but forever getting into trouble.

    All the makings of a great wizard ofcourse!

    Matt.

  • From:
    Airhead (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Uhm, like, so anyway, I was walking down this, like, street thing?

    It was just this, like, crazy experience!! I hadn't ever - oh! that's a nice shop......

    Matt.

  • From:
    Lil buggie (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    hey how come the old skreen come up?

    *luks at u an giggles*

    but unky matt...
    T H A N K Y O U!!!

    the new system is GREAT!!

    love lil buggie

  • From:
    Lil buggie (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    LOL thank you Unky now i understand LOL

    *snuggles u tite*

    great job unky :0)

  • From:
    NeutronIC (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    The deardiary1 diary is switched back to the anonymous commenting mechanism for no other reason than to prove it can now be done. I'll chat with Steve to decide which system this diary uses ultimately :)

    Matt.

  • From:
    SugarNSpice0301 (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    I think it's a shame it had to come to this. It's sad that some people feel they need to hurt others to feel better themselves. :'o(

    I do feel that this was a brilliant idea! Someone is a Great Problem Solver! :o)

    ~Sonja

  • From:
    Fortune (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    Thank you for this :)
    I've been worried about getting comments when I start sharing things from people who don't leave a name, telling me I am lying. So thank you. I feel happier and safer about talking properly in here now
  • From:
    Mr W (Legacy)
    On:
    Sun Apr 29 2001
    More freedom of choice .... good idea!

    just who the hell is flumpy willis?

  • From:
    Serenity (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!

    Give yourselves a raise for this!!
    *giggles*

    seriously, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. You guys are wonderful.

    (((((((((((((((((((Matt)))))))))))))))))))))))

  • From:
    Honey (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    You guys are the Best!
    I am so proud of you for protecting us an our little ones!
    After reading the comments to you, it looks like most are in favor than not.
    Well, I am glad that something can be done to stop the abusive ones from slinging mud at the innocent ones, so that makes me in favor.
    Thank you, Matt & Steve!
  • From:
    Ayanami Rei (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    Testing, testing, 1 - 2 - 3...

    hehe yup, the old system still works!

    Thanks for the new commenting option guys!! What a rad idea!

    Oh Steve? Great picture. Very flattering ;)

    Rest you merry,
    Xedri

  • From:
    Anglefishi (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    hee hee
    i always knew you guys were computer nerds
    hee hee
    great work!!!!

    angle

  • From:
    Fredbert Bertusness (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    A test comment. Ignore
  • From:
    DeLancie (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    Another test
  • From:
    A Bigus User (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    The above email address probably even exists....
  • From:
    DeLancie (Legacy)
    On:
    Mon Apr 30 2001
    This is the real me...