In response to SmashHeather
Tue May 01 2001

And others who don't have the courage for reasoned discussion ;-)

! ! ! This is ridiculous ! ! !

I agree with Marcelle 100%. People have to be prepared to deal with some nasty comments, or they shouldn't allow comments at all. I cannot begin to tell you all what whiny pains in the neck you are being.

I turn it 180 degrees to you and state that people should not use our site if they cant deal with the whiny pains in the neck we are being. These ARE our rules, this IS the way our site is run. If you can happily state that people should not allow comments if they don't like nasty ones, then we, by that very same right, can state that you should not use our site if you don't like the fact that we won't allow people to be abusive.

It is never OK to be nasty to someone. Never. It is even worse to be nasty to someone and pretend to be someone else or not have the balls to stand up and be counted for your view. Our system is NOT about stopping comments that might offend due to reasoned discussion. It is about stopping people pretending to be other diarists, leaving inflammatory comments in OTHER PEOPLES NAMES. I challenge you to find any good anywhere in the fact that someone could have previously left a comment on someone's diary, with your diary user name and email address and there was NOTHING you could do about it.

Indeed, that very same person could have made some very incriminating comments under your name, for which you would have the police, FBI or whatever the secret force is in your country investigating your every move. Just because they may not have got a conviction for whatever was placed under your name does not mean they would not have investigated every other area of your life closely and made things very uncomfortable for you.

Do you STILL think we are whiny pains in the neck? We're trying to protect your innocence here. Get a grip on reality, or go somewhere where they don't care how humans treat each other. Bosnia maybe?

Steve. (Matt may disagree, he's away today :))

11 Comments
  • From:
    Starcrossed (Legacy)
    On:
    Tue May 01 2001
    I agree with you a hundred percent.
  • From:
    Marcelle1 (Legacy)
    On:
    Tue May 01 2001
    I apologize for being so bitchy yesterday... I shouldn't have overreacted the way I did. I'm thankful you put the comments option,, though!!! As usual I didn't think things through. *sigh* Bad me. I just got upset that everyone has to be protected because people complained about how they're being treated online. Not everyone is all sunshine and rainbows.

    But thank you for not doing something like kicking me off!!!
  • From:
    MrWhimsical (Legacy)
    On:
    Tue May 01 2001
    I can only agree with Starcrossed ..... i am with you 100% ..... no matter what Matt might think!
  • From:
    Fortune (Legacy)
    On:
    Tue May 01 2001
    I agree 100% too :)

    Thank you!
  • From:
    Koropoh (Legacy)
    On:
    Tue May 01 2001
    Hey

    If you think about it ... I rather have people talk out their issues on web sites than taking guns to their heads or at people... However, everyone has a point and even nasty ones... sometimes that nasty comment can motivate people into action ... but comments if nasty is not good ... I welcome constructive ones through although it may mean I have to go back and think and perhaps improve myself...

    but whatever it is ...
    the entries are the truest feelings of that person at that point in time ... there is no right or wrong and there is no judgement wheather it is right or not... for the truth today may be a lie tomorrow... who knows... :-)
    So sometimes we must be mindfully of comments we make of others, this is one of the outlet for people, and I can only hope that if I can help them in anyway I can, i will try ....

    just 2 cents

    koro
  • From:
    Jamisinc (Legacy)
    On:
    Tue May 01 2001
    Pwrhaps my side of this story will help Marcelle and Heather to see what you have stopped from happening.

    I have a diary here, had been here for nearly a year and a half. I consider this my "cyber home". I don't go into chat anymore ( a rare occasion now and then if my pager is acting up and I want to say hi to a friend, maybe 4 times a year). This is my base here on the internet, so to speak. My family and friends (friends in real life and from the internet) come here to read my diary. This includes my mother, siblings, children, and church friends, and several other children.

    I do not use profanity in my diary. I don't in real life and I don't here. And I do not choose to expose the readers of my diary to profanity. People know that they can come to my diary and read something clean and profanity free. That is my reputation.

    Now I don't mind negative comments. A person can come to my diary and say that they disagree all day long. I enjoy debate. But the person that was leaving comments in my diary not only used the most vile language (every dirty word I know) they also said horrible things. They didn't say "I think you are wrong to home school". They said things like, "they hoped my children would commit suicide." They called me ugly and fat and although that is thier opinion and they are entitled to have it. They also called my children morons and ugly. That is just an attack. It served no purpose at all. Just words to hurt me.

    This went on non stop for 5 days. It felt like I needed to check my diary every hour, and that is what I ended up doing. And almost everytime there was a terrible comment that I needed to delete.

    My readers and I were exposed to filth that we do not approve of. And I wanted to get rid of it. Not the idea and not freedom of speech. But the hate and the vileness.

    I love my diary and my favorite feature is the comments. Should I have to feel like I can't leave my diary open for more than an hour? Should I have to check it over and over during the day to see that horrible things haven't been said about my children? Should I need to worry that my mother will see all of that and be hurt? I don't think so.

    Now I know that I may still get ugly vile comments. But it is harder now. And I feel more secure. I am going to use the new feature.

    You on the other hand may not want that feature. So no one is forcing you to use it. It is an option that some choose and others don'thave to.

    Sorry Matt and Steve that this is so long. But I thought it might help.
    Jami
  • From:
    Sparklykat (Legacy)
    On:
    Tue May 01 2001
    i think its all a very good idea. thank you for all the hard work. a lot of people use this diary to share pain with others and appreciate supportive comments when they are given. however a lot of comments appear that only set these people back and i think this new system will hopefully stop this. thanks again. love sparklykat
    http://sparklykat.deardiary.net/
  • From:
    SmashHeather (Legacy)
    On:
    Wed May 02 2001
    Yikes!!

    All I'm saying is that if people can't deal with it, they *do* have a choice. They can turn comments off or go somewhere else. I consider offering to send me to Bosnia not very nice, but I can deal with it. You are being whiny pains, but I can deal with it. People left comments telling you it's a good idea. I left one telling you that I thought it was a crappy idea. Now you deal.
  • From:
    Witchgrl (Legacy)
    On:
    Wed May 02 2001
    Hmmmmm...let's see. I paid my subscription...use and upkeep my diary...so that means...it's MY diary. So...Matt and Steve just gave ME a little more control over who can/can not comment in my diary. If that's censorship...that's okay by me. It's MY diary..and I can CENSOR IT IF I CHOOSE! ;)

    Great job guys
    amy
  • From:
    Tehuti (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
    On:
    Thu May 03 2001
    I can't believe there is always so much disagreement over whether comments should be allowed to be deleted or not! It just seems to me that the ones who would be most against it would be those who wish to leave flaming comments...I know this is not true, but it makes most sense to me.

    All I can say is I most certainly don't mind! I haven't had problems here (well, probably because I'm on private ;) ), but I've had them almost EVERYWHERE else, and it feels good to have some control. Yes, there's the possibility that some idiot will censor you just because they don't like you. I think that's a far better risk than having to leave tons of flaming crap up where everyone can see it.

    Of course that's just me...but I still can't believe there's such an outcry over it! People say not to let the flaming words of others affect you. Deal with it. So all right--if that's to hold, then don't let the censoring actions of another person hurt you! Deal with it! 'Nuff said, right?

    ((backing out of conversation...))
  • From:
    PrettyNpink (Legacy)
    On:
    Fri May 04 2001
    Wow, I have been missing a lot by working so much! I can see why the need for this now. I had no idea about the attacks... But, do remember how it felt when one person kept attacking my quitsmoking diary...

    You guys are doing great as always! I like all the new stuff you are doing to the diary! Keep up the great work!

    ;o)