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What is Adult?
Wed May 30 2001

Hey all, Matt here :)

I just got back from the theater with my wife and my mailbox is flooded with the fun Steve has been having, so I thought i'd toss my quart of petrol onto the fire :)

What is Adult Material?
This question cannot be answered black and white. I've tried to get an answer from various online child protection groups and I've tried to get answers from parents. The answers range from any single use of any bad words (the list of bad words also varies wildly), any use of words in places where it is clear a bad word was intended (oh fudging heck), all the way up to "everyone swears, its a fact of life".

MiracleWhip said it quite nicely in a comment she left on this diary, I hope she doesn't mind me borrowing her words:

This really isn't all that confusing.

Don Quixote has a rape scene in it and it's not X-rated. Domestic abuse is described in Dickens without his needing to be racy.

X-rated material is written with a clear intent to sexually arouse its readers.

Nobody who's smart enough to write that way should be confused about what is and isn't adult writing.

The bottom line is that we're not going to dictate what is adult and what is not beforehand because it's entirely subjective. If we receive a complaint (or if a diarist openly comes to us and asks for our thoughts) then we'll simply look at that diary and talk to the diarist. If you have to ask us then it probably isn't an Adult diary - but be honest with yourself.

Can you talk about having sex? I don't see why not, it's a part of life on this planet. Can you discuss in detail what you did? I would suggest not! If you are writing to arouse (yourself and/or your readers) then that's probably Adult.

There's a lot more to Adult than just Erotica or describing your sexual encounters in detail.

Use your judgement and if you aren't sure by all means get our opinion, if we receive a complaint then we will contact you to discuss whether or not you want to simply make your adult entries private, or move your diary into the adult area.

If people ask for the service, we could also investigate adding the capability of flagging individual entries as adult so that you don't have to move your entire diary into the Adult area, just the entries that should not be read by kids or those that simply don't want to fall on to this.

As Steve said, this is all now negotiable - within limits. We need to help protect the kids on the site (as well as those who don't want to read Adult material) but we also don't want to force anyone to go into the Adult area just because of one Adult entry.

I believe Steve has already commented on this but i'll re-iterate just to make sure... To read any Adult diaries, as many times as you like for a year you get one account with AdultVerifier and that's it. You don't have to pay each time and not for each diary.

We have a support address and we have comments here, we're very interested to hear what people say. We've had a couple of people email support just saying "please cancel my diary", we'd really like to know what it is specifically that you dislike about this that makes you just want to cancel?

On a personal note, a big pat on the back to Steve, he's been working damn hard to get this in and it's cost him a bit of that mop on his head in stress ;) Great stuff!

Goodnight all, it's 1.30am and I'm a tad bit tired after repairing my server at home an hour ago :)

Matt.

42 Comments

From:
Marcella (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I'm on the fence about this whole thing. On the one hand I can see how you would like to maintain a site which is respectful and mindful of children. Its never a bad thing to protect children, IMHO.

So, I'll be keeping my diary out of the adult section and hope and pray that you actually make it so that INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES can be flagged as adult and not entire diaries. While I've yet to make an "adult" entry, I don't know if I will want to down the line. If I do it means making my entire diary "adult" purely on one entry. That just feels wrong somehow.

Just my thoughts, sorry if I babbled on and on.

-M.
From:
Mark S. (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Please take a look at a diary by someone named Plaything. It is very pornographic. I think the same one who wrote the Daveinbalmer trash also writes this one.
From:
ShadowRose (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Thanks. It would be great if people could flag individual entries, but in the meantime this is a good solution.
From:
Malignant (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Hi guys. Forgive me a blonde moment, but I'm still rather unclean as to how this whole thing will be working.

Potty mouth that I am, I'm prone to peppering my diary with some foul words. Occasionally, I'll write something racy in an entry (not lately though, as I've had bigger fish to fry, pardon the awful pun). Is something like this subject to an "adult section"? Frankly, I don't see that many children would be reading my entries as most are rather sedate with the exception of the profanities, but I'm still unclean.

Don't get me wrong, of course. I'd never like to think that anything I've written has contributed to the deliqency of a minor, and though there are relatively few people that actually read my diary (as far as I'm aware), I'm still not sure where I fit in.

Any suggestions?

Much thanks,
Mal
From:
Eliezer (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I'm not so keen on this new "Adult" policy. I think there are definitely better ways to achieve the same result (protection of children), without all the garbage that this Age Verifier system brings along with it.

First of all, if Credit Card charges are sufficient proof, then why can't Atomic Systems simply apply an authorization to a user's Credit Card themselves? This doesn't actually cost the end user anything, but will verify if the user has a valid credit card (I've had this done on my credit card to authorize a damage deposit on a rental car - you don't actually charge the card, you simply authorize the business the right to charge the card for a certain amount). Ask the credit card companies about it and they'll be happy to explain.

Secondly, I'm opposed to forcing people to pay to read a person's non-commerical works. Surely you can do something better, like setting a function to allow the author to authorize certain readers to read their entries. I mean - your goal is to have some sort of method whereby children must not be allowed to read an entry unless a parent authorizes them - there are lots of other options short of an Adult Verification service which hands you a small kickback.

Frankly, I don't care to read the more adult diaries, but I certainly oppose forcing someone who might want to read an entry or two to pay for a porno-authorization service. I would never register for such a service on principle.

So - could we have some constructive suggestions on what we could do better? Something a bit less extreme perhaps?

I would suggest that when a user wants to read a diary entry flagged as adult that the system does a quick check against their logged in account to verify if it's listed as "Over 18" - if so, it lets them in. Otherwise, it returns a "not authorized" message.

How do we know if they're adults? Well, when they register with the system, have them check whether they are adults or not. Make an honest answer at registration part of the Terms of Service. If munchkins choose to lie about it, boot them off under Terms of Service and notify their parents if they complain.

The onus should be on the children to be honest with Dear Diary - I see no reason to penalize adults because of children who choose to behave irresponsibly. If they can't handle the rules, that should be their problem and they have no business using a system.

Since when did it become the job of system administrators to act as surrogate parents? It's the parents responsibility to keep an eye on what their kids are doing, not yours.
From:
Miraclewhip (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Matt and Steve are pretty much paying for keeping this site running by themselves.

I guess if their allegiance is more with kids (and more adults than you might realize) who would prefer to not even be tempted by reading diaries like that, then that is their right, is it not?

Why should ANYONE be chastised for choosing the protection of minors over the desire of people to post and read free porn?
From:
Kaliko88 (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Eliezer, there's one thing you should know. Credit card charges or checks are NOT sufficient proof of someone's age. A local 3-year old here got a credit card last year. The news stations had fun with that story.

For all those who keep saying 'let the parents do their job', yeah right! If someone underage wants access to a computer without their parents knowing or being able to check on them, they will find a way, from using a friend's computer to going to the local library.

And lastly to those who've been contributing to Matt and Steve's hair loss, please remember THIS IS THEIR SITE SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT HERE! If you don't like it, go someplace else or pay the money to do your own site your way. Personally, I think they do an outstanding job and I wouldn't want to be any place else.
From:
Eliezer (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
In response to your points:

If Credit Card checks are not a valid method of checkng age, then Adult Verifier is a money-making fraud, because that's the basis of what they do - they simply charge a credit card. They do not guarantee the actual age of the credit card holder. So, I think we are agreed that Adult Verifier is a fraudulent service that exists as a money making venture to cash in on hysteria.

As for parents being unable to supervise their children, that is a parental problem which no amount of "Adult Verifier" payments will solve. If the web masters are quite serious about protecting children, they had better look into better methods than turning the site into a premium content site, which is what Adult Verifier specializes in doing. I don't mind paying some extra cash for extra goodies for myself as an author, but I certainly object to someone directly profitting off specific works which are not theirs and charging others to read them, which is what Adult Verifier encourages.

And no one questions Matt or Steve's integrity, Ms. "America-Love-it-or-Leave-it" - I do, however, question the wisdom and implications of the Adult Verifier solution. I think there are better options out there which are less intrusive and do no have the side effect of either implicit censorship for those who don't want to register with and pay fees to a porn-check service or transforming some diaries into premium content. That's this is really about - protecting children is a different matter entirely and has other, less problematic, solutions.

Frankly, I've read some of the posts on this topic, and I am deeply disturbed at the witch hunt atmosphere I've been observing.

There are a lot of solutions out there that are far less intrusive and at least as effective or moreso. I am suggesting we explore those.

This "solution" is too radical and the side-effects to unacceptable for my conscience. I'm suggesting we go back to the drawing board and come up with something better.

My ideal solution would involve a system where adults do not have to shift diary categories or pay new fees to read various diaries or entries.

So - I'd like to hear some more solutions and less bandwagon jumping.
From:
Eliezer (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Two alternate suggestions, that have been used on other sites:

1) Turn off acccess to entries marked Adult by default, but allow the admins to turn it on, upon receiving proof of age, e-mailed to the support address (such as a scanned Driver's License). A variant of this is used by several on-line college software retailers, who use it to verify that purchasers are students.

2) Add PICS headers to entries marked Adult, since they are dynamically generated in any case. This will allow Net Nanny, Microsoft Internet Explorer and other software that filters to block Adult content. Since this is integrated into popular browsers, it will be an easily available option that doesn't cost the end-user, and give parents, libraries, etc. the tools they need to restrict minors from viewing content they don't want their wards to access on their PC's. (I once saw a government site goof on the PICS rating and be blocked, so, it works pretty well).

Those are two alternative solutions which avoid some of my objections to the Adult Verifier service option.

And, before someone comes in whining about how someone could theoretically get around them - I assure you it's as good or better than Adult Verifier, whose authentications are bartered around the Internet and in the hands of many minors, you can be sure.

There is no 100% solution of any sort, so, 'good enough' should be our goal.
From:
ShadowRose (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
That's the problem with society today. People do not want to be responsible for their actions. They want to do whatever and it is other people's responsibility to watch out for them. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said people just don't want to pay $20 to read junk that they were getting for free. Let 'em move on.
From:
ShadowRose (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I agree with Miraclewhip's comment.

The guys running this site are doing it in their free time and at their expense. I don't think we should be asking them to give up more of their lives or money just to make porn free on this site. There are plenty of other places to get it. They mentioned other diary sites that don't have these safeguards. Go there.
From:
Sweetstar1974 (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I would really like to see the ability to flag certain entries as adult. Most of mine are pretty everyday, but there are a few that are adult content... and I can see the need to limit access to those.
From:
Witchgrl (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I think everyone needs to get a grip and leave Matt and Steve alone already.

1) They don't really make anything off this site and they put a lot of time into it. So...as Da Whipstress said...it's theirs and they can do what they want.

2) Fact is...there is no 100% provable way for Matt and Steve to know that Joe in California is actually Joe...or a 13 year old delinquent. Any form of ID can be stolen and abused. Unless Steve and Matt can afford to fly across to the US and visit Joe in person, they have to use the best available method...Credit Card Verification.

3)I applaud them for putting the safety and wellness of children first. If you don't want our children protected, then I question what kind of person you really are.

4)It's quite simple really...if you don't like it, you are free to leave. Most of the diaries here don't write "adult content." I don't read the crap...so of course I don't have a freaking problem with it.

Stop all your bitching. Suck it up or move on. It's really THAT simple.

:)
amy
From:
InnerSoul (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I think entries should be flagged somehow, or if it is found that more than a certain number of entries are that way, then the diary should be flagged. I am not interested in reading about someone else's sex life and I would hope there are others who are offended and not interested in happening into an entry or a diary that contains sexually explicit entries.
From:
LisaMarie (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
At my age, I'd probably try to send Matt and Steve my 17 year old niece's drivers license!
From:
Sobriquet (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
perhaps you could just have an under 15 section or something..

I agree that it's disconcerting to think of a child reading adult material...
but I'm a little concerned about where the line will be drawn..

is using swear words a marker of an adult text?
how explicit in detail will you have to go (in terms of sexual content) in order to be deemed 'adult'?
what is the criteria here?
..and then there is the censorship issue.

I know that curiosity is a huge factor in kids reading this stuff..
..but I think that adult warning messages are a good indicator that warns of content..
if someone still WANTS to view it later then that is their perrogative...

I don't think that there are people at dd that write "pornography" in order to arouse children...
I really don't even think that's an issue..
and if it was..by all means that person should be banned..
I think we have to remember..as we're talking about this..that just because someone writes about sexually explicit material..doesn't necessarily make them a bad person or anything..
that may just be their diary..their thoughts..

having said that...perhaps diaries that ONLY centre themselves around detailing sexual escapades should be in the adult section...while others that happen to mention it once in a while should just be treated as normal diaries and should have warning messages for individual entries..

I personally object to using a credit card to vertify age..
I think that there are enough issues of safety and security on the net without having to worry about not only your thoughts being out there...but for a crafty hacker..your home address and details...
and then there are those people who don't have credit cards at all..
are they to be excluded from owning a diary?

I hope the issue gets sorted out so that it pleases everyone..
I think you do a great job here..
and it's very gallant of you to think about the children in this way..
From:
DavidA (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
*sigh*

I'm supposed to be on Diary Vacation here! *LOL* However, I must donate my two (2) cents. Oh, be warned, its another one of those sleepless mornings:

I don't want my kids accidently running into adult material. If *I* accidently bump into it, I will, from time to time, pause to gander because, well, I'm a guy, and we guys do that sort of thing. I do not, however, go looking for it. So, if it's moved into a special section, that's cool with me. In fact, if I ever wanted to write anything erotic (like I could be *that* creative) I would prefer it to be in a certain section.

We live in a day and age of lawsuit mania. Is anyone so cold that they would subject the Admins here to legal action because of something a diarist wrote? This is their hobby for crying out loud! Back off. If you don't like it, pack up and go. Furthermore, do you really want the FBI (for those of us in the states) knocking on your doors and cuffing and stuffing you because of something you wrote? The Internet is in a "wild west" state right now-rules are being made up each day as we go along, so, yes, it could happen to you.

Finally, if Plaything and Daveinwherever are the same person, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I must be off.
From:
Sobriquet (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
thanks for answering my pedantic questions :)

I can see that I totally misunderstood the credit card and writing in the diary thing..
perhaps I'm alone in being hesitant about using my credit card to access certain posts..

I'm quite surprised though, that even if someone has an adult warning before their entries then that can still be used to sue you should child wander in...
perhaps there should also be an "I agree" button..like on porno sites.

...not that I would know anything about porno sites *cough* :P

I know that ultimately you really care about the kids..
and that IS most important..
but just on a legal point...
if a child lied about their age in order to log in and use this site (ie: as in how hotmail ask you to put in your age) and then checked out an entry that had an adult warning.. could you then, still be legally in the wrong...even though you did everything right..and *they* lied?

juust wondering..
From:
Princess16 (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I just have one more question.
You talk about "adult content" and how it should be kept away from children, but have you read some of the top 10 diaries? If you want to keep it away from children, don't put links to in on the main page....
From:
4everdramatic (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I find it somewhat ironic that there's this huge contraversy about adult content and one of the top ten diaries is titled something along the lines of vaginas...I like that...

Why can't we just keep things the same? Instead of this adult thing...can't we add more features, such as the little mood faces at livejournal.com. I know more of us are interested in altering our physical appearence of our diary rather than the readers...

Lis
From:
DeLancie (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I seriously doubt there will be any new features like smiley faces 4everwhatever. I shan't be implementing anything else. The last god knows how many changes we've done to the site has been met with a barrage of objections from different quarters and the only thing we can appear to do right is to leave it alone.

Henceforth, thats my intention. I have better things to do than run this shit.

This is left as a comment because its not official AtomIC Systems Policy, its my opinion. Probably Matt doesn't share it.
From:
Eliezer (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I've been checking through the Adult Verifier information and they do not explain how they verify your age.

Indeed, the application simply asks for your name, address, credit card info, e-mail address and a check box as to wether your over 18 or not.

That's it.

Seems to me to they're doing simple credit card based validation, no better than the current system for becoming a permium Dear Diary user and about as useful for confirming age.

Before going down so questionable a path, and turning the site into a premium content site (which is what this action would do), I'd like a clear explanation of precisely HOW they confirm a person's age.
From:
Not an Eliezer Fan (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Eliezer, I've heard that if you're a big enough jerk, they saw you in half and count the rings.
From:
DaffyDuck (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Matt & Steve,
I was just thinking. I know before you post an entry, you have three "check" boxes at the bottom of the page for making an entry private, notify the readers on your list and not to leave comments for that entry.

Is there anyway to make a fourth check box for adult content?

When the diarist check that box, if someone wants to read that entry, it will send a message to the diarst. The diarist have a option to allow the reader to read that entry and places them on a authorized list to read adult entries. It's almost like the notify list.

I think most of us knows who read our diaries and the age of our readers. I think it would place the responsibility on the diarist and take the heat of the you guys.

I don't know how much work this may cause you guys but it's an idea.

What do you think?

Daffy Duck
From:
Eliezer (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
I've actually had a similar thought to Daffy Duck and certainly agree that it has some potential merit.

That option would preserve the opportunity to share thoughts flagged as adult in nature with others who wish to read them, while at the same time providing an additional level of discretion.

A key issue that has come about in this matter is that there is no middle ground between public and private. This might provide an option, and would be worth evaluating for impact.
From:
DaffyDuck (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Cool, I didn't know if you guys were looking into it. Thanks!
From:
Fortune (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Matt and Steve,
Thank you for taking these steps to keep kids online safe at this diary site :)
From:
SilverGlitter (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Holy Cow!! Boycott Bread!! LOL (I wonder what the stats are for water)
From:
Hlmurphy (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Gosh, guys, your vagueness is confusing me. So, you're saying you DON'T want children reading sexually explicit diaries?

Gee whiz, NOW I understand!

And here I thought you were just trying to play 'let's see how many people we can get to comment in our diary.'

:)

Hey, it's your site. I say just do it, take whatever constructive advice you can get related to HOW to do it, and ignore the rest. Heck, you can turn the pointers into flying piggies and forward all complaints to alt.troll if you want to. It is, after all, your site. Anyone who doesn't like it will just have to take their toys to someone else's yard to play.
From:
Coolmom (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Bravo Matt and Steve! I was waiting for you to get tired of the little questions about this and that. Witchgirl and hlmurphy: LOL and I ditto what ya'll said. To those of you who do not like the new rules: I will repeat what I said yesterday. Love it or leave it. Matt and Steve are not asking too much. Just a little consideration for the generation that will one day be running the U.S. Write responsibly people or "You are the weakest link. Goodbye"
From:
Pringles (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
hi, I just wanted to say again, you guys are doing great...dont let anyone convince you that you aren't!..*S*..have a wonderful day
From:
Mouse14 (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
hey matt an steve

you guys are doing a good job with this :o) its really nice of you to try an protect the kids like that

mousie

ps: elizer, how are matt and steve to know that the liscence i scan isn't my moms? i could scan her's and say it was mine.
From:
Mtwib (Legacy)
On:
Wed May 30 2001
Hi ...I had a question...is there anyway that u can find out what diaries you have left a comment for..
cos i really need to find a person but i 'v forgotten their name...:)

thankyou very much
mtwib
From:
CounterParts (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
Hi guys :)
Sorry I am so late with my comments ... I'm just now catching up on my reading *blushes*
I just wanted to say to Steve, Matt, and Les ... I think y'all are doing a wonderful job. Parents definately can't not know exactly what their children are doing 24/7 ... not even the very best of parents. I'd always heard that it takes a village to raise a child. We are humans ... what's wrong with watching out for ALL of our little growing humans?
Thanks guys ... I love DD ... and you guys are doing a wonderful job.
To all those who just don't get it ... all I can say to you is ... well ... dang ... I can't say that ... use your imagination! *grins*

Blessings,
Angel
^i^
From:
Bgp4 (Unauthenticated) (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
Howdy all,

My wife has been been reading this site for a long time, and periodically talks to me about what's going on in the soap opera that is DD ;)

First off, I want to give "mad props" to Steve and Matt for putting this site together and maintaining it. It's a lot of hard work, and can be really thankless (I run a computer security site that has similar qualities.. thankless, long hours, money sink...) It's your site, and feel free to do whatever you want with it.

That being said, I'd like to address the legal issues raised above. I'm in the US and must claim ignorance of UK law. However, you did mention the CDA, so I feel I must comment. The orginal CDA (talked about in the Wired article) is dead. CDA II was signed into law in 98, temporarily restrained in 99, then enacted in full force later in the year.

The whole issue of protection of children v free speech is a thorny one here in the US. However, in the cases involving the CDA that have come before the courts, the courts have primarily sided with the hosting provider/ISP.

It could be said that DD is acting service provider and as such does not need to proactively restrict access to content. Content restriction need only be applied in the event of a court order against a DD member.

Also, as a CYA measure, sites like Yahoo! and MSN have adopted the habit of asking for a birthdate at the time of registration. No credit card, no faxing of a drivers licence. So far, this has been widely accepted as a valid way to protect your site and it's content. Yahoo chat serves millions upon millions of hits a day, and the only protection they have is the birthdate in the reg. The perception here is "if it's good enough for Yahoo, it's good enough for me."

So, from a legal standpoint, popping up a window when someone clicks on an adult diary entry that says "are you over 16?" is plenty of due diligence on your behalf. Heck, even exporting strong, opensource cryptography only requires a notice that if you're in one of the 7 terrorist countries, you shouldn't be downloading such things.

Now, from an ethical standpoint, you may want stronger protection against minors viewing adult content. I can understand that. It would seem to me that achieving a happy middleground by adding the specific headers for Net Nanny et al would serve as an appreciable amount of protection as well as an unalienating element to the few (but vocal) antagonists to your credit card idea.

Course, if you want to alienate them to get them off your site, more power to you ;)

Only my 2 cents. Again, great job guys. If you (Steve) are leaving, I wish you well. I have lots of PHP/Linux/security/techno-babble skillz, and I'd be interested in helping you (both) with the site. Feel free to contact me.
From:
Celandra (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
In response to 'The Final Say' - I have only 3 comments to Matt, Steve & Les:
1. Bravo!
2. Bravo!
3. Bravo!
From:
PrettyNpink (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
*smiles* For everything you do, this Bud's for you,

*pullin a top, and handing ya a brew*

:o)

~*pNp*~
From:
Eirayne (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
HO-LY-COW! Is it always this crazy in here??? I have been writing here at Dear Diary for about two months but I never clicked on the news link until yesterday...I know it says to, I just never did until I was reading in someone's diary that mentioned the controversy...Generally, I try and stay out of the chaos that has been known to happen here at DD, but I felt the need to chime in as well....Kudos to Steve and Matt for taking action to protect children...More people in this world should be so concerned. And hat's off to you for "the final say" You were tolerant far longer than I would have been...You do a great job providing us with a valuable service...more than once in the last two months it has helped me enormously to write about my life and get support from my friends here at DD...Keep up the good work guys!!

---Rayne
From:
Honey (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
Steve, Matt, you guys are the greatest!
I am proud of you both! You both do a very good job at protecting all of us!
Cheers!
Honey
From:
ShadowRose (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
I guess I'm dense, but what exactly is Comet Cursor?
From:
NooNoo (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
*Panics and uninstalls everything starting with comet in her computer*
From:
SmashHeather (Legacy)
On:
Thu May 31 2001
Here, have yet another comment.

This is mostly in response to someone mentioning a 15 and under section... Well, as a 15 year old, I can honestly say that would suck. Not all 15 year olds are the same, you know.

That's all. I would just suggest getting an actual kid's opinion on this whole thing before you go suggesting things like separating kids from the rest of the diaries.

Heather

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